The podcast for
interior designer business owners

and home industry professionals.

Evelyn McDougall is the Co-Host of For Designer Business, a podcast for interior designers and business owners looking to scale. She is also Co-Founder and CMO of 4Dbiz, a
Shayna Rose is the host of For Designer Business, the premiere podcast for interior designer business owners looking to grow the business with confidence. She is also CEO and Founder of 4Dbiz, a fractional team for interior designers.

About Us

Welcome to For Designer Business, where we’re passionate about transforming interior designers just like you into successful business owners.

We’re Shayna Rose and Evelyn, co-founders of 4Dbiz.

 We know from experience that being a business owner is more than just a title, it’s a daily test of your passion, purpose, and determination. We’re not here to sugarcoat the journey. Balancing your work, your family, and your dreams is no joke.

This podcast will challenge everything you think you know about the interior design business. But we're here to arm you with the tools to thrive as a business owner and a creative.

So if you’re ready for real talk, real growth, and a community that gets it—you’re in the right place.